HIMPUN: Not on the same boat?

Im still skeptical of real objective of HIMPUN. After researching and brainstorming, i cant seem to come to term with the idea of having "rapat umum" on the given basis.

Question: Does islam prohibits the practice of other religion during the time of prophethood? Which includes the da'wah of non-muslims?

To my knowledge, the time of nubuwwah and the time of khulafa' ar-rashidin, christians and jews are doing their da'wah openly and the muslims did not stop them from doing so, as islam promotes the idea of freedom of practice in religion. The muslims back then really work hard to counter da'wah with da'wah, arguments with arguments, upon argument which is clear, burhan, and to win the heart of men with firm beliefs and black and white truth.

So is it right for us to take their rights away, to practice their religion? Which include their right to openly do da'wah?

When I was in CIS, i've studied autonomy of Islam in Malaysian law, I cant seem to agree with phrase of the constitution which prohibits the da'wah of any religion other than islam to be done on muslims in federal and peninsular land (which doesnt apply to Sabah Sarawak thou).

I "personally" feel that, the very part of that constitution is holding back the muslims from their very potential. In order to protect the muslims, we restrict others through subjugation and the order of law, which they supposedly have full rights over in islam. This will create the illusion of safety and will certainly cause the ummah to fall in their false sense of security.

Real security comes from the heart of ummat, thats what gave them firmness in their belief to Tauhid, the pure idea monothiestics faith. Not through protection of man made laws and taking away the practice of other religion. There is no other way than to protect the people's belief than to get that very message of Tauhid in the heart of people, which can only be done only through da'wah. Since the ummat were too drown in their sense of security, and theres no one actually challenge the status quo, we forget da'wah. What is left, is Islam becomes a ceremonial and ritualistic religion, not really a religion sound in heart to the majority.

Do not mind da'wah and implementation of shariah, we have constitution to protect the ummat? That is self denial. Even if we do not claim so, thats what the truth hold. Its a shortcut, and its actually a disease to the ummat. What better example to observe other than the sahabah, tabi'in, itba' tabiin. They do da'wah, fight off propaganda with da'wah, travel over land and over the sea, to get the message to the people. I can openly claim, that muslim in Malaysia is to secure in their false sense of security and take things for granted, little by little we did not realize the faith of the people becomes fragile, and we blame other religion, not our ignorance and lack of effort?

From the press conference given by the organizer, he expressed the disagreement on christians using free tutions, charity works as proselytisation of muslims to christianity. Why dont muslims compete the same way, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, committed fully in social welfare and taking this platform to do da'wah, free clinics, classes, healthcare, foods, comunity service, and so do PKS in Indonesia where charity work was intense. To condemn and do not compete is really immature. Is it the problem of them doing charity work? or? us negating our responsibility and not commited to social service?

My disagreement does not imply that i agree to blasphemy"murtad", What i urge is to :
1) Recognize the rights of Non-Muslim to practice their religion, including doing da'wah as what the prophet and the sahabah did.
2) Do da'wah intensely and compete whole heartedly for islam.
3) Implement shariah in whole, not man made laws to shortcut away from da'wah and shariah.


and we should stop living in this fallacy of,

1) "Malaysia is a multicultural, therefore open dialogue and religious discussion should be avoided to preserve the stability of Malaysia as multicultural and multi religious country", during the time of prohethood, they are not only living with people of different religions and race, but also the fact that they are living with the jews, and threaten side by side by persian and romans. Yet they manage to maintain stability and peace.

2) "Malaysia is a multi religious country, therefore shariah have to be modified to suit the needs of Malaysia demography", shariah have to be taken in whole, thats why the problem of murtad doesnt seem to solve, in fact it escalates through slippery slopes. Ibadah and shariah needs to come together.


Although many NGO including IKRAM, are for the cause, i cant agree with this one, but not too express disapproval, only to widen the perspective.



13 comment:

at: October 22, 2011 at 4:31 AM said...

This is a good post. I believe in how the da'wah is the solution and not restricting other religions from doing so but I'm not surprised it's actually happening nevertheless.What I'm worried is the Syariah Law. I understand that the syariah law for other muslim-majority countries are not completely the same. What I believe is that the syariah law should be revised again for current times. This is because some of the law such in the application of the hudud law only come from the hadiths and not the holy Quran. One would be the stoning of adulterers which is never mentioned in the Quran. Looking at the hadiths, the stoning involved people that follows Judaism in which the Torah Law prescribes stoning to death for adulterers. What I'm trying to say is that though most of the syariah law do come from the Quran but there are some that are not and how can we say that the syariah law is not man-made? I believe the syariah law need to be revised again with current mindset. Even the collection of hadiths happen hundreds of years after the death of the Prophet PBUH and I will be lying to say the hadiths are 100% accurate. Another note to take is whether if it is wrong/sinful for muslims not to apply the punishments if we have better solutions to the problem.

Syafiq Afifi says:
at: October 22, 2011 at 5:48 AM said...

salam, kepada sahabat yang comment diatas.

hukum syariah ni tiada dalam erti "tidak boleh diguna pakai / kuno / tidak berpaksikan realiti"

first of all. ketahuilah bahawa hukum hudud ni hanyalah boleh di aplikasi lepas banyak permasalah dibenamkan.

kita ambil contoh hukum potong tangan bila mencuri.

orang tu boleh dipotong tangan hanya selepas:
1) masalah kewangan negara diselesaikan
2) masalah pengangguran sudah diselesaikan
3) 0% kadar kemiskinan

dan byk lagi masalah lain perlu diambil kira before hukum hudud ini dijalankan

so what im trying to say, hudud ni sebenarnya apply kat orang "gila"
if you have money, job, wealth, why would you want to steal from others? unless if you are crazy..

dan. jika seseorang itu ditangkap melakukan kesalahan berzina contohnya,

pesalah mesti di bawa ke hadapan dengan 4 orang saksi dan kesemua saksi mestilah tidak ada sebarang rekod penipuan, tidak kira samada menipu dalam exam, mahupun menipu sekecil-kecil perkara, including unnecessary things, dan banyak lagi ciri ciri untuk jadi saksi.

saksi-saksi yang ingin menangkap orang zina mestilah tidak dalam keadaan mengendap. meaning , 4 of them accidentally bump with those people having intercourse. and yes! mereka mesti nampak bahawa pasangan sedang ada intercourse, meaning the penis is ENTERING the vagina.

dan seperti saksi-saksi lain, ciri untuk menjadi saksi perlu ada. and i dont think i should mention it again.

dan pada zaman rasulullah, tiada orang yang di tangkap berzina, dan kesemua mereka yang diketahui Nabi adalah kerana mereka datang pada nabi dan mengaku dengan sendiri.

dan kalau kita nak cari saksi-saksi berdasarkan ciri-ciri tersebut, percayalah, maybe you can find 1 out of million, or maybe not even 1.

just sebagai satu gambaran, jika hukum2 dan selok belok agama islam ini diletakkan dalam 100 buah bukut, sebenarnya bab hudud ini adalah sangat kecil, tidak sampai satu buku sekalipun.

janganlah sampai kita ini ditakut-takutkan oleh orang yang ada kepentingan lain sampai kita buang brain capacity in this short life.

Allah maha mengetahui

Syafiq Afifi says:
at: October 22, 2011 at 5:56 AM said...

oh lupa nak cakap.
bab bab selebihnya dalam islam ini banyak cakap tentang bagaimana nak berlaku adil, bagaimana nak berkomuniti, bagaimana nk menguruskan sesuatu seperti negara, rumah tangga, hal ehwal komuniti, bab-bab pembahagian harta menurut islam dan banyak lagi

oh dear friend! u are commenting on a blog. you have an internet access. you can access almost all information available on earth.


a.j. says:
at: October 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM said...

Deen of islam have always gone Tajdid and Ijtihad(Revival and Renewal) through centuries. Fiqh is dynamic and always up to date in every age and current situation of affair.

However, this doesnt mean that it was man made, it have always come back to the Quran and Sunnah, but it is how the scholars and leaders of the time interact with Hadith, how it is interperated and viewed.

Shariah law have always based on Quran and sunnah, and the one on adultery refer to Holy Quran 24:2, and all the shariah have always based on Quran and Hadith, revelation by God The Al-Mighty.

Hadith had been collected and filtered through centuries and classified into categories, Sahih (strong and sound), Hasan (fairly strong), dhaif (weak) ... in shariah, only Sahih and Hasan hadith were used to legislate. So it is without a doubt a very accurate method according to Quran and Sunnah.

Yes, Shariah is obligatory upon Muslim ruler and it is a great sin not to apply shariah if you are in power.

Every muslims believe that God have provided the best solution to mankind. Is not God the most wise one and knows what is the best for human being? If you can come to an agreement with that question, it is left for you to find who God actually is, and you will only find in your search that there is only one God, the most kind and the most wise.

anyway, homicide in the land of Saudi Arabia 2010, is 1.04 for every 100 000 population. Which is very low while other common law country range from 10 - 80 per 100 000 population. Tell me what other solution which you think is the best.

at: October 22, 2011 at 9:59 AM said...

Salam aj: mantobbbb.... Eye opener, brain neuron pulser, heart jerker. Well written piece.

at: October 22, 2011 at 4:37 PM said...

Thanks for the reply. Certainly countries such as Saudi Arabia that implements sharia law enjoys a very low homicide rate compared to other countries but this unfortunately isn't for all the other countries that implement them.

Again, the Quran prescribes flogging for adulteries not stoning (let alone to the death) but also only done should the person do not regret. The hadiths do mention it stoning. Wont these hadiths be contradicting the Quran and should be considered a weak hadith? And from what I know Sharia Law only implements the sahih and hasan hadiths. This stoning of adultery should never be in the Hudud Law (interpretations of God's Law) let alone be in the Syariah Law.

The Quran is the only divine word from Allah s.w.t. Not the hadiths or even the sunnah. Will it not be syirik to consider the stoning to be interpreted as God's Law?

Flogging and amputation prescribed from the Quran and therefore I have nothing against it being implemented but it must be done with care.

Quoting from another comment
"so what im trying to say, hudud ni sebenarnya apply kat orang "gila"
if you have money, job, wealth, why would you want to steal from others? unless if you are crazy.."

The hudud law cannot be applied on "crazy/mentally insane" due to the fact that the crime was done at not the right state of mind. This is because the punishment can only be done should the person do not regret as prescribed in the Quran. The person is crazy, how can we be sure what is he thinking about? That's why we have psychologists to assess them.

I'm not totally against the Syariah Law as a whole but there are some laws that are actually against the teachings of the Quran. The authority of the Quran is higher than the sunnah and the hadiths which are both recorded by followers of Muhammad PBUH (sunnah) and followers of Islam (hadiths) which were collected 130 years after the Prophet PBUH death.

And another question, does the Quran prescribes Syariah Law? Syariah Law is the collective interpretation of Muhammad's sayings and teachings and the Quran in regards to judicial Law. Syariah law differs with different Islamic sects and schools (with their own sets of hadiths).

Where does it say that the syariah law is obligatory in the Quran and it is a sin not to follow it? It is a sin to do the forbidden things prescribed in the Quran but it is NOT a sin for not applying the punishment.

The one big major question is this and I hope I have not offended anyone from my statements before. Is a person a muslim if he/she only follows the teachings from the Quran and not from the hadiths. Certainly Prophet Muhammad S.A.W followed the teachings of the Quran and his sayings were based on the chapters from the Quran being divinely passed on to the prophet pbuh.

a.j. says:
at: October 22, 2011 at 7:13 PM said...

anon: Dear sir, regarding adulteries, its not contradicting at all. The one prescribed in Quran is flogging, it is for the unmarried individual, while stoning taken from hadith was for married couple. It does not contradict each other as both are unique condition by in by itself.

Divine sources does not seperate Quran and Sunnah, yes, Quran is a divine word of God, but the Hadith comes from the prophet which is guided and every step and action made by prophet have divine intervention.

For example, God prescribe prayer in Quran, but did not detail down how to pray in Quran, thats where Sunnah of Rasulullah comes which is to detail down to what God prescribe by providing examplary action of a man, which can be followed by other human being. Both Quran and Sunnah comes hand in hand, it could not be seperated as both are divine guidance.

Qouting from the other comment, what he is implying not exactly crazy as in mentally impair, but he was joking, that its only crazy to be stealing when you are reach and financialy able. He's not exactly imply hudud on a crazy person, its only a cynical remark.

Yes shariah may differ according to region, largely based on ijtihad and assesment of local situation, but this difference have always Quran and Sunnah as the basis of judgement and deduction to produce fatwa and ijtihad, that is the wonder of fiqh, it can cater for different waqi' (situation) in the world, at the same time still depending on Quran and Sunnah as the point of reference.

Obligation of implementing shariah by ruler refer HQ 5:49.

And judge, [O Muhammad], between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations and beware of them, lest they tempt you away from some of what Allah has revealed to you. And if they turn away - then know that Allah only intends to afflict them with some of their [own] sins. And indeed, many among the people are defiantly disobedient.


A muslim must follow both Quran and Sunnah


"31. Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

32. Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger.: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith.

HQ 3:31-32


Do not be among those who reject and turn away from faith by neglecting either one of Quran or Sunnah.

Wallahu a'lam

Syafiq Afifi says:
at: October 22, 2011 at 8:36 PM said...

salam, thanks a.j for clarifying it for other friend here.


Unknown says:
at: October 23, 2011 at 10:11 PM said...

I've seen this post linked to FB yesterday but just got the chance to read it now. I've asked the same question as you did,

"Does islam prohibits the practice of other religion during the time of prophethood? Which includes the da'wah of non-muslims? ."

and I don't really agree with the perhimpunan and kind of wondering what good does it bring to the community and to muslims specifically.

Usually the impact on an event does not last long. People may be aware of the issue of murtad at that moment but that doesn't give them the urge to contribute on dakwah or even change themselves to be a better muslim.

I believe very firmly that everybody should be in tarbiyah and that's the best way to strengthen the ummah. (Like the prophet did in his time)

Murtad is only one of the problems, but the root of all problems is that, most of us in this country don't understand Islam and what's worst is that we don't even realize that. We live in our own comfort zone hoping that Allah will grant us Jannah with our very little deeds and tonnes of sins.

But over all of the above matter, the perhimpunan may be good as an eye opener on how fragile the muslim in our country right now.


Azyan Jamil says:
at: October 24, 2011 at 12:21 PM said...

wow... very intellectual..

a.j. says:
at: October 26, 2011 at 4:21 PM said...

yana: good perspective!

a.j. says:
at: October 26, 2011 at 4:23 PM said...

dikyan: =D bace2 skit. lame lame jadi bukit

abdus says:
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